NO MORE MUDDYS!!!

topic posted Tue, December 4, 2007 - 4:02 PM by  Sug
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I just got notice from the DGS tribe that entertainment at muddies is CUT OFF!! Due to one (yes one) noise complaint. They are having a meeting tomorrow at Arcata City Hall at 6pm I believe to discuss the matter. Show up, defend your right to dance, and your right as an American to persue happiness.

For more info check out Deep Groove Society tribe, or go to muddys.
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    Re: NO MORE MUDDYS!!!

    Tue, December 4, 2007 - 4:22 PM
    I used to live in the apartment building next door and they were REALLY LOUD neighbors. I had to call the cops on them more than once. Now, bear in mind that was 7 years ago, the management has since changed and I don't live in the neighborhood any longer so I don't know how the noise is lately. But still: noise complaints should be taken seriously. The rights of tenants nearby are more important than the "right to dance."

    I hope they do reach a compromise because the venue is really cool, but perhaps they should just turn down the noise after 10pm or some other reasonable time.
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      Wed, December 5, 2007 - 3:10 AM
      I don't know, Muddy's isn't really in such a residential area. Students and others moving in to those apartments aren't exactly moving there for peace and quiet either. If you want peace and quiet, there's many other parts of arcata that are away from the business areas of town.
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      Wed, December 5, 2007 - 9:08 AM
      note to self....never move next door to creature

      called the cops??? you didnt know muddys had music before you moved in??

      and no your right to go to bed at 10 isnt more important than their right to make alot of money.....when we played there on halloween they did over 1500 dollars in beer sales...IN 3 HRS
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        Wed, December 5, 2007 - 9:10 AM
        also thought i should point out to the original poster that this is absolutly not from one noise complaint....one person maybe, but she has been calling the cops on shows there for yrs now
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        Wed, December 5, 2007 - 11:03 AM
        So "making a lot of money" is the supreme value now?

        Music is one thing. Extreme, ear-splitting bass at 1am is another.

        I'm saddened that there isn't more compassion for people who need sleep. Has it not occurred to you to think about what the neighbors have to deal with due to the extreme noise? I think a compromise would be a good thing.
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          Wed, December 5, 2007 - 3:16 PM
          music has never gone past midnight there.....ever...i have been playing shows there for 8 yrs now...always cut off at midnight...also we raised almost 2 grand for a kidney transplant for 4 yr old jessiah class, which id say yes is more important than some old bag trying to sleep.....and again....people need to check the area they are moving into before signing a lease....if you want to get rest dont live in a buisness area of a fuckin college town.....one person made all the complaints, hundreds go there to have fun....sorry but the hundreds trump the one....if she doesnt like she can start steppin
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            Wed, December 5, 2007 - 3:18 PM
            "So "making a lot of money" is the supreme value now?"


            when you own a buisness yes that is important....and if you want your local economy to ever be worth a shit other than what comes in from pot, buisnesses need to make lots of money
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            Thu, December 6, 2007 - 10:00 AM
            i've been to plenty of deep groove parties there that went way past midnight. that hasn't happened in about 3 years, tho.
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              Thu, December 6, 2007 - 12:27 PM
              making money is a lame value that has us in a world of our own money-shit.
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                Thu, December 6, 2007 - 2:01 PM
                I understand that people like sleep, hell I love it! But I don't get why people get angry when they are woken up at overnight/all night events like fire fall( I know muddies isn't this kind of event, that statement relates to an old post), and I don't understand how people can complain about noise at night when they currently have night jobs anyhow.... ah hmmm... And I would rather my favorite DJ's and venues make lots of money and keep in in the community, rather than outside corporations making buttloads of money that doesn't stay in the community.
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                  Fri, December 7, 2007 - 7:08 PM
                  The anger that some people have expressed in these threads (in various tribes) really saddens me. "Some old bag" has a right to sleep. Telling people to "move somewhere else" is nonsensical - living in apartments on north G street doesn't automatically forfeit a person's right to a peaceful living environment. Muddys doesn't own the whole block, but their music doesn't stay inside their building.

                  I think that this whole discussion needs more peace, and love, and unity, and respect. The question shouldn't be "How can we get to do whatever we want in Muddy's and ignore/devalue the complaints from the neighbors?" The question should be "How can everyone talk to one another, knowing that we all have valid needs, and create a compromise where we all get a little bit of what we love?"

                  I hope the music can continue.
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                    Re: NO MORE MUDDYS!!!

                    Fri, December 7, 2007 - 7:39 PM
                    whos angry? and as for devaluing complaints from neighbors, theres only one fuckin person complaining...ONE, and the night of the complaint there was a fucking ukalaly band playing accoustic music....which means she probly was bitching about noise outside of the building....should we all be heady and kind and whisper out on the street after ten so she can get her beauty rest??? muddys doesnt own the whole block, but they do own their building , and property, she doesnt own any of the block as a renter.....yeah maybe moving isnt realistic, but when you are moving somewhere you might wanna check out whats around you before you sign the lease.....its pretty stupid to move somewhere next to a music venue and bitch about music....ever notice that the music at humboldt brews is WAYYYY louder and they dont get complaints....thats cause the people that live by there know what they are getting into......whatever though, big petes has no stipulations on their abc permits, and have a metal show there tonight , and are gonna start having more shows.....she wont be able to shut them down
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                      Fri, December 7, 2007 - 8:36 PM
                      :( I'm sorry to say but you're sounding really angry in just about every post I've read of yours. I don't know who you are, and maybe my perception is way off because the internet isn't always a very clear means of communication. But truly, whether you mean to or not, you sound angry and uncaring towards others. I wish you would stop cussing so much and try to be kinder.
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                        Fri, December 7, 2007 - 9:09 PM
                        yeah...no anger here...and you wont find an easier person to get along with.....im not uncaring towards others....but i do believe in a mojority rule, and one person taking something away from a few hundred is recockulous....my band moo-got-2 played a fund raiser there for a 4 yr old boy we have never met and made about 2 grand for his housing in the bay area after his kidney transplant....so thats how little i care about people......why dont you ask the lady gryping about accoutic ukalalies why she is so uncaring to the students who are not yet 21 and only have muddys to see shows at, and ask her why she is so uncaring to a buisness thats trying to make a living, andwhy she is so uncaring to the bands (mine included) tand djs that like to bring happiness and dance to kids with nothing better to do.....make sure to let her know that now that they have nowhere to listen to music at they will be going to parties instead and getting all fucked up on drugs and alcohol....see if she cares
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                          Sat, December 8, 2007 - 12:17 PM
                          Hey Darin/All:

                          Wow, what a beautiful story - we so want to see moo-got-2 here soon but both came home from BHam w/sore throats, we're hoping to make it out to JGB tonight though 4 sure.

                          I think a lot of us are upset over the news of Muddy's live music being canceled and have every right to be so personally. Yeah, it's nice that HumBrews is reopened but at the same time it's a different venue which has seem to carry a different and larger genre of live music over the years.

                          I've seen almost every historic venue be torn down in another City and noise decibal meters being used by Police after people moved in to newly built condos in areas where Live music had transpired for years so it's a little scary to say the least.

                          Fortunately we do however still have the venues that allow live music so please by all means go out and see it while you can - for as well know nothing lasts forever it seems - not any longer at any rate.

                          Bright Blessings of Love Not Anger,
                          With hopes of a continued live music scene,
                          Sharla
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                            Sat, December 8, 2007 - 12:34 PM
                            your gonna like the new venue...its pretty nice, and the sound it really good....if you plan on going tonight i recomend getting there early....the line gets long pretty early, and the show was sold out last night....we sold out the grand opening by 8:30, but we had an opening act and the music started early...id try to get down by 9:30

                            by the way...whats BHam
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                              Sat, December 8, 2007 - 2:13 PM
                              ooops Belingham - (not the best time I"ve had - no offense intended)....

                              Anyway, thanx for that great feedback on the new venue Darin; we really looking forward to seeing your band here soon as we'll know you guys will be playing again here soon, hopefully at any rate.

                              Also, if you and the band are ever down/or plan on heading down to Houston, Texas, look me up. I can give you some good venue recommendations and vice-versa.

                              Cheers,
                              Sharla
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                                Sat, December 8, 2007 - 2:14 PM
                                I'm not sure exactly what happened there - but you get the general idea, right?

                                Brightest of Holiday Blessings to You All,
                                Sharla
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                                  Mon, December 10, 2007 - 1:33 PM
                                  Wow. I will repeat what I stated elsewhere....this is not a residential zone....it is commercial. Surely that was obvious to anyone CHOOSING to live there. I emphasis choice here.

                                  The real issue here, however, is as, I think Dan Faulk might have been the one who said it before, about applying one rule to one business, and another to another business.

                                  The rule need be applied without bias to all within the limits of the city's jurisdiction, not altered for only one entity, for one purpose, and to, obviously, meet the needs of a very few if only one individual.

                                  Would we even care if this were happening to one of the bars that we never go to? I would. It is about fairness to the business and community. Sorry again that I could not have been present for the counsel meeting. This is what need be addressed in those chambers.

                                  Harmony, where are you on this one?
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                              Mon, December 17, 2007 - 11:43 AM
                              What's up with the terrible service, and lack of beer selection at Humbrews now? Super Weird. Also, the wait staff ( two different wait people two diff nights) think barleywine is wine AND you can only get it by the glass. The new menu is WAY overpriced, 11$ for a tiny little salad which would be six bucks anywhere else.

                              They are really gonna have to improve drastically to get me to go there instead of Six Rivers ever again. Six Rivers Brewery rocks!

                              Humbrews was better before the remodel. Sure the layout is better but it doesn't matter with the new sucky service.
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                  Mon, December 10, 2007 - 4:26 PM
                  Sug, if you are reffering to my old post about getting woken up at balance, please be direct. My complaint was that people were right by my tent yelling about their jail time and their nitrous use, when they could have been yelling about that over by where the DJ's and bonfires were. People obviously set up their tents AWAY from the music so they would be able to get a little bit of sleep. There were still plently of loud areas at the party where those people could have continued being stupid and no one would have complained.
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                    Re: NO MORE MUDDYS!!!

                    Sun, December 16, 2007 - 8:36 PM
                    Darin and Sug, I agree with you. I've worked at Muddys way back in the day, when it first opened, and served a three or four year term with them. To this day, Muddy's is very much a daily part of my time in Humboldt; I still meet the same friends ever' morn ( a good many of them havin' worked there, as well, in the past), even now, and I still go to shows there, and though I'm a self employed carpenter, I work the door there once a week to 'get myself out.' A quick assessment of where the cafe is located should tip even the dullest on-looker in that the surroundin' neighborhood isn't your typical residentional area. Indeed, is it even zoned residential? Muddy's is situated on one of the two busiest roads in town, at best a block or less from the G St. 101 N on-ramp. Between the two cross walks that sandwich it, to the north and to the south, there are two restruants and a liquor store (!), not to mention an office supply store, two hairdressers, a retail store, and a motel....and did I mention the traffic? One block to the north, and you've got a sandwich shop (Subway), and an adult entertainent store. One block to the south, you've got four restruants and retail store on the west side of the street, and two more restruants on the east side. That block that Muddy's sits, between those very same cross walks, not a single house there sits that any 'owners' live in (read: everyone rents). Same with the blocks that border it to the north and the south. A solid point made is: each of those renters are responsible for investigating (and come on, now, this isn't rocket science; all the clues are open and in public eye) the surrounding area where they might live, and exploring the potential pluses and minuses of those very surroundings in terms of their own personal ideals.

                    Also over looked is the valiant effort that Corey, the owner, has made since he re-opened the store a year ago, to comply with the city, both in minimizing the volume (he's at every show that I work at, more than once with a decible meter in his hand), and insuring-without compromise-that the music is shut off at-or before-midnight. One look at the Calendar (always in arms reach, by their register), and one might conclude rather quickly that the bulk of the music booked there mid-week tends towards the acoustic side, with a few exceptions. The 'renters' in the immediate block also earn by the nature of living there free entry into all the shows (at least, that's what the renters tell me, when I'm working the door) at Muddy's.

                    I wonder, do they ever call the shop first, before they phone the cops?

                    I'm not so insenstive that I don't care that whoever keeps calling (if it is one person) isn't sleeping well. But, all things considered, it looks to me that Muddy's has done everything they can to meet the nieghborhood in the middle; a nieghborhood that accepts BOTH business and residents. If that one person can't deal, than it might be a good time for s/he to look into another place to live/sleep. Darin is right, s/he's no right to decide for the rest of the community the fate of Muddy's, a cafe and venue that seems, without havin' to scratch, even shallowly- below the surface, to provide more-far more-value than harm to our community. I'm not attempting to devalue the inconvenience it posits to some-I recognize and admit that inconvenience is real- but that's the price of renting so close to it. Indeed, we are talking about a venue that has been in operation for damn near a decade. 'Less those who complain have had to 'endure' the inconvenience that long...I think you know where I'm going with this.

                    Darin, again, has pointed out an oft' over-looked contribution Muddy's continues to endorse; it is one of the only-if not THE only-venue in town that underage audiophiles and music lovers, who seek to be social as well, are always welcome to show up.

                    Now I know we can all get cranky from time to time when we're tired and can't fall asleep, but are we really goin' to let this 'mood' eclipse what's really goin' on, what's really at risk of bein' lost, and the potential cost to our community a decision like clippin' the music at Muddy's could mean?

                    I'm out of town for the holidays, otherwise I'd have my sleeves rolled up-an' my pant legs to, for it seems there's a fair bit of bullshit, knee high. I'll have to wait until I get home on the 27th. In the meantime, I hope folks like Jenny Savage of the Arcata Eye, Bob Doran of the North Coast Journal, Harmony Groves, our until recently mayor, and every skilled and talented musician join together to give this decision a swift kick in the nuts...

                    yours,
                    Goatt
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                      Sun, December 16, 2007 - 8:51 PM
                      Goatt.................I couldn't agree more!! WTF!! It's SO MUCH MORE THAN OBVIOUS that this is NOT a residential area. I can't believe that people are selfish enough to expect the merchants to bow down instead of people using a little common sense by NOT moving into a business district that is very busy, in a college town, as you pointed out. It is hard enough for these businesses to stay open as it is.....and a place like Muddy's does feed the local economy.

                      I am a social worker and I work with a lot of youth at risk...........there are so few safe places they can go to be off the streets and enjoy a little live music anymore. I propose something very vocal and public needs to happen to bring attention to why this is a BAD idea and completely unfair. Attending city council meetings is one thing, but what about a protest out front with signs......how about helping the one woman who has a problem find another place to live......there are so many options that are quiet and away from commerce. Hit me up when you get back and I'm with you on doing something, okay? Seriously..............we can't let this happen.
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                        Mon, December 17, 2007 - 4:42 AM
                        Haven't any of their neighbors ever heard of Ear Plugs (I mean if its that rare that it gets that loud to begin with) - Geesh - yeah I know what you all mean as well, after all there are as many houses as close to Cafe Brio, Mazzottis and Humbrews as there are behind Muddys. I believe it to be the huge increase in housing costs that has brought the very wrong type of people into our midst. Bottom line: New high dollar residents (whether in newly built condo's or outrageously priced older homes) spoil low dollar fun - I've seen it happen all over. Not Cool & Def. Not Fair as in every instance I've seen this occur, all the Venues were there first though sadly now most are gone. Bygonez. Still, let's not let that happen here now y'all hear.

                        And as Goatt siad, this could be a drastic loss for our community here in Northern Humboldt in many ways if this one goes down as a permanent change - Ouch.

                        Very Sad 4 Sure.

                        Let's all do what we can to let Muddy's know how we feel as well as the Mayor and City Council of Arcata.

                        Cheers.
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                          Mon, December 17, 2007 - 6:14 PM
                          so apparently the woman complaining also happens to own the vintage avenger....now im not sure if anyone has ever bought anything from there but i for one never have, and never will...and will do what i can to make sure noone i know ever does........LETS PLAY HARDBALL
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                            Mon, December 17, 2007 - 7:30 PM
                            Really, Darin?!! I thought she was hip and young? She lives right around the corner, and I've got to ask again: if she is so miserable there, why did she move there (I don't know whether she rents or she owns, but she DOES live but a quarter block of businesses, and barely a half a block form Muddy's, and should have considered all the real and relevant consequences of living so close before she moved in). And it does bring up a unique question, since she is, after all, a business owner herself...unless, of course, business etiquette only applies to her. I cring at the notion that one small-business owner seems to have turned to another in arcata and so politely deposited a knife into it's back door, so to speak.

                            Another funny question I've got: a very good friend of mine lives one or two houses down, and closer to Muddy's. Rather than complain about the noise, he patrons the store daily, and from time to time, pro-bono, I believe, cleans the front of the store and tends to the gardening. He's got a professional career that's got him up early five morn's a week. Why such a contrast? Is it that she cares little for the community-or otherwise does not indentify with it-unless they spend, spend, spend (and quietly, mind you, 'less the nieghbors hear!!) at her boutique? Or is she easily irritable, and so much so that she is momentarily blinded to reason, and abscent of any notion that she could just as easily contact Corey as she could dial up the coppers, and in person, since she's all but right around the corner? I've never seen her at the shop, and mind you all...I'm there virtually every day.
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                              Wed, December 19, 2007 - 3:53 PM
                              I know Humbrews just reopened, but being 20, I could sneek in (and if inebriated risk getting Humbrews a major fine by the ABC) and get kicked out, or stand outside. I can't tell you how many times my friends and I have just stood outside and danced because we couldn't get in, but it gets cold, and i start to feel like a dog left outside in the snow.

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